
ILLUSTRIOUS REFIT: LEGITIMATE AND ADEQUATE UPGRADING OF THIS VESSEL's HUGELY DANGEROUS CAPABILITIES' DEFICIENCIES??
1) Does not having anti airborne threat missile systems put the RN's aircraft carriers, their service personnel and the UK's interests generally- at high risk?
2) Why are the aircraft carriers of other countries' navy's- such as the US, France, Italy, Japan, India and EVEN BRAZIL fitted at build-completion and/or re-fitted with technologically up-to-date anti airborne threat missile systems?:
"Refitted Sao Paulo returns to sea":
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/naval/idr/idr100108_1_n.shtml -
..."(As a result of the refit, the Sao Paulo has) three new twin-Mistral surface-to-air missile launchers "...
http://www.military-today.com/navy/improved_nimitz_class.htm :
"... These (US Navy Nimitz class supercarriers) were completed with Kevlar armour over their vital areas and have improved hull protection arrangements...
"The Kevlar armour has been retrofitted to the earlier carriers, as have many of the advanced systems built into the newer ships..."
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/uss-theodore-roosevelt-headed-into-midlife-overhaul-02810/ http://www.news.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4200&tid=400&ct=4
http://www.navy.mil/local/lhd8/ -
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4200&ct=4&tid=400 -
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/navy/amphibiousassault/lhd1Wasp.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/lhd-8.htm
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvn-21/
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvn-21/cvn-213.html
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvn-21/cvn-214.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cvn-78-specs.htm
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003686.html :
"... The Hyuga... will carry an Aegis-type air defense system, with the U.S.-developed AN/SPY-1 multi-function radar; her principal "weapons" armament will be 64 advanced ESSM-type missiles... "
"... She will also be fitted with two 20-mm Phalanx (radar guided) "Gatling" guns for close-in defense against anti-ship missiles, and she will have six tubes for anti-submarine torpedoes...."
http://defense-update.com/products/h/hyuga_250409.html -
"... Hyuga is equipped with 16 Mk41 VLS (Vertical Launch System) cells (each cell carries and can launch 4 ESSM-type missiles- rvl) for anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles and accommodates two 20mm Phalanx (radar guided) anti-missile cannon and two triple 12.75-inch torpedo mounts for self defense...."
3) what are the dangers posed to surface combatants such as aircraft carriers by modern anti-ship cruise missiles (such as the widely marketed SS-N-27 'sizzler' and its clones) as well as moderately up-to-date and the newest aircraft??
- "Soviet/Russian Cruise Missiles":
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Cruise-Missiles.html
- "Missile Survey: Ballistic and Cruise Missiles of Selected Foreign Countries", 26_07-2005:
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL30427_20050726.pdf :
"One significant trend is the increasing number of missile production and development facilities... Fifteen countries are known to produce ballistic missiles: the United States, France, Russia, China, ... and Argentina."
"Argentina gets first Russian defense deal", 26_04-2010:
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/04/26/Argentina-gets-first-Russian-defense-deal/UPI-64361272276060/
"The deal also comes amid designs by Russia and Argentina to bolster relations in nuclear power development... and share use of the Russian Global Navigation Satellite System (GLONASS)"... (in case the US ever cuts off Argentina access to the GPS system?????)
4) Considering that ALL of the UK's currently in-service Frigates and Destroyers are either fitted with
a) obsolescent/not-technologically-capable anti airborne threat missile systems (Type 22 and 23 Frigates, and Type-42 Destroyers)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011503.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011504.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011505.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011506.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011507.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011508.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011509.htm ; or
b) are fitted with non-working anti airborne threat systems (Type-45 Destroyers)- why don't the UK's current aircraft carriers have any anti airborne threat missile systems:
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jmr/jmr100104_1_n.shtml
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Royal-Navy-destroyers-at-sea.5889279.jp
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/agenda/Navy-destroyers-face-further-worries.5990942.jp :
"... The navy is planning to put (25-year-old, used) old weapons onto its new destroyers as it struggles to get them ready, The News can reveal..."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/07/dauntless_sea_viper_progress/
.... WHY AREN'T UP-TO-DATE ANTI AIRBORNE THREAT MISSILE SYSTEMS PLANNED TO BE FITTED TO THE UK'S CURRENTLY IN-SERVICE CARRIERS ASAP???;
5) Why were the obsolescent Sea Dart anti airborne threat missile systems not replaced with up-to-date systems when the Sea Dart systems were removed from the Royal Navy's (then 3, now only 2) aircraft carriers in the late 1990's- a time when the existence and highly lethal capabilities of the then new SS-N-27 were well known among the MoD and senior govt officials??
6) Why haven't the obsolescent Sea Dart anti airborne threat missile systems that were removed from the RN's aircraft carriers in the late 1990's been replaced with technologically up-to-date systems 2000-2010??
7) Why is Illustrious's refit not including instalation of technologically-capable anti airborne threat missile system(s) and the radars required to operate these weapons??
8) Can anyone say for sure where Illustrious- and her sister ships-Invincible and Ark Royal and HMS Ocean may be assigned duties during the coming six to 10-years??
Roderick V. Louis - Vancouver, BC, Canada
ILLUSTRIOUS REFIT: LEGITIMATE AND
ADEQUATE UPGRADING OF THIS VESSEL's HUGELY DANGEROUS CAPABILITIES' DEFICIENCIES??
PART 2:
9) why are the UK's new 'big deck' aircraft carriers designed and being constructed without anti airborne threat missile systems and the types of radars required to operate these weapons??
10) considering that anti airborne threat missile systems are integral to aircraft carriers belonging to ALL other countries' navy's world-wide, why are the UK's new carriers not being fitted with these weapons and the (costly) radars required to operate them?
( "MBDA'S SAAM-FR NAVAL AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM SUCCESSFULLY CARRIES OUT FIRST SALVO FIRING", 30_05-2005:
( http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/newsFO_complet.php?lang=IT&news_id=138
(note:
(a) the above Aster-15 missile test firing was from France's Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier; AND
(b) the UK's presently in-service aircraft carriers were stripped of their obsolescent 'Sea Dart' anti airborne threat (AAW) missile systems in the late 1990's; AND
(c) the UK Labour govt refused to fund a replacement AAW system to be fitted 1998-2010; AND
(d) in order to save money, the planned aircraft carriers won't have any anti airborne threat missile systems whatsoever...
11) why are the UK's new 'big deck' aircraft carriers designed and being built without aircraft-launch catapults??
12) why are the UK's new 'big deck' aircraft carriers designed and being built WITHOUT ARMOUR and WITHOUT ARMOURED BULKHEADS?
TO SAVE MONEY THE UK's PLANNED NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIERS ARE BEING BUILT WITHOUT ARMOUR, ARMOURED BULKHEADS, AIRCRAFT-LAUNCH CATAPULTS AND WITHOUT THE MISSILE-BASED WEAPONS & SENSORS REQUIRED FOR SHIP SELF-DEFENCE AGAINST ANTI-SHIP CRUISE MISSILES (ASCM's) & AIRCRAFT:
Catapults are necessary for aircraft carriers to be able to embark, launch & recover a variety of the most versatile & capable types of fixed-wing aircraft, such as Airborne Early Warning & Control (AWACS) types:
E-2D Hawkeye: The (U.S.) Navy's New AWACS-
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/e-2d-hawkeye-the-navys-new-awacs-03443/
The RN's new 'big deck' aircraft carriers will be restricted to Harrier type (short/vertical take off & land) fixed-wing aircraft & helicopters- that can not duplicate even remotely the function of modern, fixed-wing AWACS...
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/jni/jni091020_1_n.shtml
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/idr/idr080611_1_n.shtml :
"... In 1982 the Falklands conflict provided a stark reminder of the vulnerability of surface forces operating in a hostile air environment without (AWACS) AEW support... The absence of such a capability in the face of sustained air attack gave the UK Royal Navy (RN) insufficient warning to counter threats at long range, & directly contributed to the loss of several ships...."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1100714/The-4billion-Airfix-Kit-Behind-scenes-Britains-biggest-warships.html :
"... Money has also been saved in side armour protection, though Knight insists this was a strategic rather than a budgetary issue. The CVF's first line of defence is the frigates and the new Type 45 destroyers around us,' he adds. 'Our only self-defence is close-in weapons systems and small guns.
"Instead, what you have on the ship is 36 of the most lethal aircraft*** ever made.'..."
*** aircraft whose designed-capabilities DO NOT include protecting warships from incoming anti-ship missiles...
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvf/ :
".... A number of protective measures such as side armour and armoured bulkheads proposed by industrial bid teams have been deleted from the design in order to comply with cost limitations...."
13) Should tax-payer funds go towards the building of and re-fitting of aircraft carriers, Destroyers and other classes of front-line surface and subsurface combatants and support vessels for the Royal Navy and Royal Fleet Auxiliary that are fitted and equipped to operate as impotent, incompetent, grievously vulnerable duds, in effect- tax-payer-funded 'make-work-project' schemes'??... or
14) should tax-payer funds go towards the building of and re-fitting of aircraft carriers, Destroyers and other classes of front-line surface and subsurface combatants and support vessels for the Royal Navy and Royal Fleet Auxiliary that are fitted and equipped in such a manner to enable the vessels' competent performance against modern types of known and to-be-expected types of threats and to enable the RN and the UK to continue its/their leading, respected roles on the world stage in the coming decades??
Roderick V. Louis - Vancouver, BC, Canada