
09 August 2012
There must be some kind of time slip here to allow an article like this to cross ovet from some parallel universe.
Saddam Hussein had a "major stockpile" of viable (implied) WMD in 2003 after all. And they were smuggled out and used against NATO in afghanistan.
Sources?
And I don't mean saying "was reported", or "is believed".
In this universe there is the odd forgotten leftover shell that you mention but rather than narrowly wiping out whole blocks killing thousands...
"The reality is, they'd have to have a whole bunch of these things," he added, "have to find some way of blowing them with a large charge to even create a cloud."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html
(BTW Israel has the largest WMD stockpile in the Middle East. But again, that's this universe.)
Jeremy - Newcastle
09 August 2012
That shell was unmarked so we don't even know that it was an intential use of a chemical weapon. And it did actually explode - the consequence being the slight poisoning of two soldiers. Not hundreds if not thousands of deaths.
Alarm bells didn't ring round the world because the account you give is so far from what happened. Even Rumsfeld didn't jump up and down about those couple of old shells.
Jeremy - Newcastle
09 August 2012
Jeremy - Newcastle
It is true, I was involved with the destruction of Iraqi Nerve agent in May 2007.
Rob - Telford
10 August 2012
There's no doubt Saddam Hussein had large amounts of WMDs. He used them to gas entire towns of his own people. However, the ineffective and vacillating UN allowed him to get most of them over the border to neighbouring countries before the end of the 1991-2003 war, the US/UK invasion. His sons (and some of his generals) were slain trying to escape similarly taking the country's wealth with them. This is old news. Aside from Asshad now using some of them, and Iran having otyher - who cares? They pale into insignificance compared to Iran's nuclear ambitions - Scuds filled with nerve gas are hardly state of the art now, however much "Gulf War Syndrome" was inflicted.
AlMiles - Bristol, UK
10 August 2012
I struggle with the debate..
It seems to me history and current events reveal correctness of the Invasion of Iraq.
History Saddam Hussein was himself a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" . He was prepared to use whatever means to destroy opposition and keep his power base. Chemical Weapons were created, used and hidden.
Today we see a "Son" of another dictator handing out violence to opposition in exactly the same manner as Hussein did.
Therefore it seems to me, we did the right thing to remove Hussein and his hiearchy (Family). We now need to be prepared to put our resources (Whetever they may be) to work to assist the opposition to establish a new Syria, and then remove the stockpiles of chemicals that will be used at some point by this maniac.
Degradable - UK
10 August 2012
AlMiles - Bristol, UK
I have to agree, the amount of munitions required to get down the required amount of agent is quite large, especially in the climatic conditions found in the Middle East at this time of year, one Scud warhead would have a so little effect it isn't worth the press, you would need batteries of artillery to deliver enough to be of real concern.
Rob - Telford
14 August 2012
"Today all eyes are on troubled Syria, which has the largest WMD stockpile in the Middle East. No one in their right mind wants them used or dispersed as a result of the chaos engulfing the country."
Military action against the Assad regime in Syria remains a poosibility, I suppose, although not very likely.
If, however, the UK were eventually to join a coalition to fight in Syria, have we done the right thing by depleting our CBRN capabilities (i.e. by withdrawing 1 Tank Regiment and the excellent Fuchs vehicle?)
Mike - UK
14 August 2012
Mike - UK
Hasn't the RAF Regiment taken on the CBRN role full time now, they were part of joint force CBRN before?
Rob - Telford
15 August 2012
Rob
Yes,you are right, Rob. They are now solely responsible for the role. However, what they are left with is essentially what is called the Light Role Team (LRT). They operate from specially modified Pinzgauer vehicles. They are not the vehicles the Fuchs are and bascally our CBRN capability has been severely reduced.
Mike - UK
16 August 2012
I meant to add, Rob, that the Army will now lack the ability to carry out an effective NBC (or CBRN) role with the reconnaissance/manoeuvre element removed.
Mike - UK
16 August 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
The Wikipeadia link is informative on this one. I think you are greatly overstating the case for Iraq's chemical weapons capacity at the time of the 2003 invasion and the ISG findings afterwards.
You fail to mention that Bush and Blair failed to notice the real WMD potential threat posed by Syria while concocting a largely fictional case against Iraq.
Chris Lamb - Bristol
17 August 2012
Chris Lamb - Bristol
"Largely Fictional case against Iraq", agreed with regards ability to deliver beyond Scud Range (and maybe not even with that weapon system), however its stockpiles of Artillery and Rocket weapons was very large, I was involved in the British Armies 18th disposal operation under that code name, so how many did our coalition partners (mainly the Americans) didpose of, how many dumps have not been found yet?
Rob - Telford
22 September 2012
Having just reviewed this article re CBRN/WMD, I remember back to the early phases of the US incursion into Iraq, of reports of large transports departing Iraq into Syria and Iran. Very little ever reported regarding those transports. I have always been curious as to what was on those convoys of semi-trucks?
Banshee - US
01 October 2012
I met a Christian Iraqi in Hong Kong many years ago who said she had left Iraq because she worked in a chemical weapons factory & the weapons were very volatile. She said not matter what these weapons would go off on there own within 20 years & the intention was to fire them at Israel & as a Christian she was totally against this.
Sue rat - Australia