
18 October 2012
This is certainly a story that needed to be told. I have to agree on the fact that the submariners' exploits having to always go under silence is quite unfair. Even if most of the time there are obviously good reasons for the silence.
What's even more impressive is that, no doubt, there are countless other operations as impressive and daring that we don't yet know of.
"Silent Service" to the very end.
Gabriele - Piacenza, Italy
18 October 2012
"What's even more impressive is that, no doubt, there are countless other operations as impressive and daring that we don't yet know of."
No surprise.
I believe USN and RN SSN's routinely operated in Soviet waters, trying to track Soviet SSN and SSBN's and carrying out Sigint and Elint missions.
My issue of Soviet Military Power from 1986 has USN and RN subs snooping about near Murmansk and Severomorsk, bases of the Soviet Northern Fleet.
Of course, they were doing the same to us!
And I very much doubt this has ceased either.
Daniele Mandelli - Guildford
18 October 2012
It was all in a days work back then.
Rob cooper (Henry) - Prestwick
18 October 2012
The silent service means just that only when it is of public interest should it be known. I had the honour of serving on the cox s on both occasions. We came back from down south without all the pomp and ceremony of the surface fleet (god bless them) as we should we carried out our missions to the letter and although we felt as though we were the bad guys for sinking the Belgrano because of the press coverage and a certain Tam idiot. I for one am proud to have served in the submarine service who are the best of the best
Steve (Bonnie) Tyler - Derby
19 October 2012
If a US submarine had been involved in this mission, the details would probably have been made public years ago. A big Hollywood blockbuster would also have been released by now, starring Brad Pitt, portraying American naval ingenuity and heroism.
Mikey
29 October 2012
Prebble argues that the Conqueror Logs were deliberately destroyed in order to cover up an operation ('Barmaid') in August 1982 that stole Soviet spy equipment. Accidental shredding is discounted because of the bulk of the missing data and Sethia's involvement is dismissed because half the missing log books were compiled after his retirement.
In short in October 1982 the Military disposed of vital evidence concerning a controversial incident that implied wrongdoing by British Forces (Belgrano) just to cover up an operation that could only cover it with glory in the long run. No one ever thought of extra deep storage or of removing or blacking the pages involving Barmaid and no one thought that preservation of the Belgrano data was vital to defend the reputation of the RN amidst the storm of controversy already raging.
Prebble's theory simply doesn't add up. His book appears more as a whitewash of his own journalistic efforts in 1984/5 that exonerated the chief suspect of the missing material, Lt Sethia RN, than any serious academic account.
He makes no mention of the signal data concerning the Belgrano that was also missing or of Robert Green and his aunt Hilda Murrel (despite listing his recent book in the bibliography). Prebble accepts every assertion by Sethia without challenge and considers the self admitted theft of a 'lorry load' of Naval equipment and the improper use of his mess account after his retirement as completely acceptable behaviour for an honest man.
Moreover the witnesses against Sethia are either ignored, ridiculed with lurid physical descriptions or simply dismissed as paranoid. The crucial facts that the main witness had been initially approached by the Security services to assist them because he had publicly announced the theft of the log books at least a year before Heseltine's statement and that he had approached Prebble for protection on the direct advice of Tony Benn and Tam Dalyell are completely erased by Prebble. Instead our truth searching author suggests that the witness was approaching the media merely as a practical joke to get a free ride to the Carribbean! What utter rubbish.
The truth of the matter is that 20Kg of clearly marked material does not get accidentaly shredded by trained RN personnel. And neither does the MOD deliberately destroy material relating to secret missions for otherwise the vaults would be half empty. Operation Barmaid was not an unusual event for the MOD. The normal practice is to merely lock data away until such time it can be safely released - however long that is. Accordingly the hand of maverick involvement in this affair still appears probable.
Besides the witness accounts, the details of Sethia's diary also suggest that he was in some way involved in the fate of the log books pertaining April, May and June 1982. After their loss the three subsequent log books could easily have been disposed of to create the very theory that Prebble so eloquently describes. Our author does not even consider this possibility. Instead his book serves to turn public attention away from what is really important (namely Conservative Government malpractice) and towards a matter (anti Soviet ops) that has no relevance whatsoever in today's world. One must wonder whether Prebble has any political masters!
It was all a very entertaining read - but let us not take the work of a self admitted 'competitative' career journalist too serioiusly.
Richard Morley
29 October 2012
Fascinating, although I find it difficult to understand why the log for the Falklands War would be made to disappear in order to conceal something that happened months afterwards. It also doesn't appear likely to me that the command room log is something that could easily go missing. If it did, the commanding officer would be in a spot of bother I think.
J. Southworth - University of Hull
01 November 2012
The controversy over the sinking of the Belgrano, like the more recent "sexed up dossier" controversy, is a controversy manufactured out of nothing by left wing journalists, because there is no mystery about how the ship was sunk. The Conqueror detected and shadowed the Belgrano for a period, then they were ordered to sink it, so they carried out their orders.
What it comes down to is people looking for excuses for the failure of the 1982 miners' strike. The general idea they want to promote is that the NUM were defeated by some especially dastardly manoeuvering on the part of the government, which is rubbish.
Where the disappearance of the Conqueror's control room log is concerned, I would say that the likely reason for this was the desire to protect members of the crew and their families from the unwelcome attentions of certain sections of the media. Or it may be that they had information suggesting that the Argentinian intelligence services were trying to form links with left wing groups in the UK, with a view to carrying out terrorist reprisals against members of the Conqueror's crew or their families. There are a lot of possibilities.
J. Southworth - University of Hull